JotCast | Trade Value Series Chat

Trade Value Series Chat

Ben Clemens

10:00

Good morning. Let's get started.

171

10:00

Wow, Ben waking up to do a chat at 7 am local time. The dedication! Love this guy!

Ben Clemens

10:00

I'm leaving for a brief vacation today so I actually insisted on it

Jacob

10:00

Kinda a trade value q, do you think buxton will ever figure it out again or is he cooked

Ben Clemens

10:00

Man, I happened to catch a lot of his at-bats in this week's Twins/Mariners series, and he's clearly compromised right now

10:01

I think they need to try to get him healthy, he could play a long time like this and not figure it out

Guest

10:01

I'm sure a few people have asked about Jackson Holliday, so let me ask about Jacskon Chourio instead. Why not HM for him?

Ben Clemens

10:02

For guys like that, prospects who aren't gonna be on the top 50 (we agreed to just one prospect on there, to be like 'yeah okay prospects are neat but not really what makes this series interesting'), I just ask Eric who I should throw on there, more or less

10:03

I think I wrote Chourio down initially and then we agreed he's far enough away that it's not really gonna matter if we just wait and put him on next year

It's definitely not an exact science

Pat

10:03

To me, the biggest "surprise" name listed anywhere on the list (including Honorable Mentions) is Reese Olson. Can you expound on him a little bit. He's only had a handful of starts, was only a borderline top 100 prospect, etc

Ben Clemens

10:04

Pitch data looks good, results look good, it's basically as simple as that

wADHD+

10:04

Interested to hear your thoughts on Tatis' ranking. The article said that Tatis was neck and neck with Acuna in projections for the next five years, so wouldn't that make him a top 3 candidate? Or is that huge contract the set-back?

Ben Clemens

10:04

It's funny, because a lot of people think he's way too high

I think it's not the contract, so much as the risk of the player combined with the risk of the contract

if Acuna had Tatis's deal I feel like I might move him higher

but Tatis carries more risk of ruin, as it were

Twins fan

10:05

What trade value does Sonny Gray or Kenta Maeda have?

Ben Clemens

10:05

Oh, plenty, Gray would be one of the best rental pitchers on the market for one

Carson K

10:05

With how many young defense over offense shortstops made the list was there any thought given to lowering the value given to defensive shortstops that are at best average on offense. Especially while leaving elite defensive catchers who have shown the ability to hit at all star levels(William Contreras and Jonah Heim) off the list

Ben Clemens

10:06

Yeah, although I question just calling Contreras's defense elite and leaving at that, he's had a massive one year improvement but he was really bad last year, let's let 2024 happen there

10:07

But generally speaking I'm trying to learn from my mistakes with this

10:08

Amusingly the person I moved up the most after my initial version went out for feedback was Zach Neto, who's the archetype I tend to value highly, for whatever that's worth

joe

10:08

What's the hang-up with Riley Greene: BABIP merchant who strikes out too much? (I sort of agree, though these have always been true of him, and I thought he might get the pedigree benefit of the doubt.)

Ben Clemens

10:09

Honestly if I got to keep making changes for another week, or another few days, maybe he ends up on there. One of my biggest frustrations with the structure of this exercise is that I don't think it really conveys the tiering of everything

Like someone could show me a different, say, 41-60

and I'd be like oh yeah okay sure

10:10

The further from the true outlier plaeyrs/contracts we get, the more things are bunched together

I"m not gonna start writing 70 blurbs and calling every slot 41-70 or anything like that

Because people love lists!

But that's closer to how it looks in my head

Nelson

10:10

The projections still don't love him, but given how minuscule his contract is, did Orlando Arcia get any consideration? If he puts up 3 WAR a season on that contract, surely that's pretty valuable.

Ben Clemens

10:10

He did not, but no one would argue that he's pretty valuable right now

10:12

I think people are rightly concerned about the projections, but I think that he's better than those give him credit for for sure

He's not really the same player as he was in Milwaukee

Bert

10:12

When talking with people for the list, what was the general feeling on Tatis? Super concerned? Young guy that made a mistake?

Ben Clemens

10:12

Yes to both?