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Jay Jaffe FanGraphs Chat - 4/4/19

Jay Jaffe

12:01

Hey folks, welcome to my first solo chat of the 2019 regular season. I've got a short thing on Randal Grichuk's extension up this morning (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/randal-grichuk-joins-the-extension-parade/) plus yesterday's big piece on catcher framing and its impact on Hall of Fame consideration (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/framing-the-hall-of-fame-cases-for-mar...). on with the show!

12:02

Are projections updated as the season goes on? The Mets won the last 2 games but their Proj wins fell... Not sure how that is possible without the underlying team strength changing. Any ideas?

Jay Jaffe

12:04

Our projections are updated, yes. I don't know the specifics of why the Mets went down in this instance but it could result from revisions in estimated playing time on their team or elsewhere in the league. If, for example, the Braves were to sign Kimbrel, that would improve their projection and take a bite out of the competition's projections, with the effect felt most within the division (since that's who they play the most frequently).

Ray Liotta as Shoeless Joe

12:05

Small sample size, etc., but this sure seems like the season of bullpen meltdowns.

Jay Jaffe

12:06

Via our splits, seven teams have bullpens with ERAs over 5.00 right now, and six teams have bullpen FIPs over 5.00. That's <checks notes, pulls out slide rule and abacus, does math> not great.

Andrew

12:07

Trevor Rosenthal is having a really rough start: 3 appearances, 7 runs, 0 outs. I can't remember the last time I saw someone fail to record an out in his first 3 appearances in a season.

Jay Jaffe

12:10

Via the Play index, only one other player besides Rosenthal has failed to record an out in his first three appearances of the season, namely Rich Hill in 2014, during his wilderness years period. He made two fruitless appearances in July with the Angels and one in August with the Yankees. http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/cka8c

Ray Liotta as Shoeless Joe

12:11

Is Davey Martinez in over his head? As much as I want to believe that a manager doesn't have that great an effect on a team's performance, this guy just baffles me.

Jay Jaffe

12:14

Nothing makes a manager look as inept or opens him up to more kvetching and scrutiny than when the relievers he calls upon fail to do the job, and Martinez has certainly had a lot of that during his short tenure with the Nationals.

Some of that is on the front office — I argued a few weeks ago that the additions of Rosenthal and Barraclough did not appear to be enough of a retooling of a unit that was 12th in the NL in WAR in 2018 (0.6).

That said, there have been other complaints about Martinez, some with regards to his in-game maneuvering and some re his leadership. I've heard that it's harder to go from being a bench coach to a manager than it looks because one's position relative to the players changes. Easier to be a pal/advocate as coach than as manager.

12:15

So maybe that's part of it? We shall see.

Matt

12:15

Are you worried about any pitchers after a week's worth of games? Anyone who might be hiding an injury or just have lost it, whatever "it" is?

Jay Jaffe

12:18

Rosenthal being a mess in his return from TJ is disconcerting, but there aren't a lot of other guys I'm worried about at this stage.

This chat will take a brief pause while I deal with the arrival of my building handyman to confer some information regarding maintenance. Apologies for the delay, shouldn't be long...

Mike

12:21

Does any topic make the saber community more irrational and angry than framing value?

Jay Jaffe

12:26

I don't think it's "the saber community" per se so much as it's the passers-by who are less well versed in such topics but may stumble upon something such as my McCann/Martin piece and have their preconceptions challenged.

I think most of us who, say, are familiar with player valuations using WAR understand that there are limitations to the stat, particularly on the defensive side with regards to sample sizes and the agreement of multiple metrics. Framing is just one extension of that, a relatively new one.

To somebody not used to the concept, the idea of their being a 30-40 run difference in catchers, top to bottom (or even more than that, the further back one goes) seems radical, and the concept of ambiguity with regards to calling balls and strikes really tends to inflame such people less familiar with the f/x-Statcast gray zones of pitching.

Felipe

12:28

I heard Sutcliffe the other day on an ESPN telecast (Cards & Bucs) say that he thought lowering the mound back to pre-1969 level would elevate offense and reduce pitcher injuries. is there any data or research that has been done recently to support that idea? And would you be in favor of that?

Jay Jaffe

12:34

Google and you can find scientific papers that suggest that lowering the mound could reduce the forces in play on shoulders and elbows, which would in theory translate to a lower injury risk. Here's one, for which I can only read the abstract. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1440244018310685

The idea that lowering the mound would reduce offense is based upon the 1969 lowering of the mound, which did indeed help increase offense. At the time that was done, MLB also redefined the strike zone, which from this vantage makes isolating the effects of the two changes impossible.

12:35

MLB has a long history with tweaking the strike zone in order to restore the balance of the batter/pitcher dynamic. I'm much more in favor of tweaking the definition (particularly w/r/t the bottom of the zone) before dealing with changes in the mound specs, though I have far less problem with the idea of lowering the mound by a couple inches than I do with the idea of increasing the pitching distance, which I think will produce a shitshow when it's done in the Atlantic League this summer.

Outta my way, Gyorkass

12:35

Lots of talk about the shaky Brewers pitching staff has happened this offseason, but is it that inconceivable that they have their bases covered? Another high leverage bullpen arm is expected back soon in Jeffress, an even 75% Jimmy Nelson will be a gigantic boost, and if anyone in the minors (like Zack Brown) is ready and contributes, that staff all of a sudden looks much better.

Jay Jaffe

12:42

I don't think one can take for granted that Jeffress will be as good as he was last year given his shoulder woes (likewise for Nelson given his long string of injuries), or that Hader can reproduce his 2018 showing. I do think that the organization's recent reputation gives them better odds of coming up with another breakout performer — either from within the organiation or outside — who can help. When I wrote about Knebel's injury on Monday (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/banged-up-brewers-bullpen-loses-knebel-for...), I suggested Taylor Williams, if he improves his command, and noted that Devan Fink looked at the possibility of Chase Anderson's shortened repertoire helping him take a step forward. Brown is a guy Eric and Kiley think will be a multi-inning guy soon (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-32-prospects-milwaukee-brewers/). I suspect the Brewers will spend the first couple months of the season running through their internal options before making a major move.

nico

12:44

Hi Jay, thanks for taking the time to chat. Ron Kulpa's performance last night was the most pathetic display I've seen from an umpire in a good long while. Odds of an official rebuke from MLB?

Jay Jaffe

12:46

Wouldn't surprise me if he's suspended for a game. I wouldn't expect much more than that, though, at least publicly.

12:48

BTW your screen name reminds me of a chance to wander off-topic to say that I've been watching (over the course of the last two nights, after my wife has gone to bed) the Nico 1988 movie, about the former Velvet Underground adjunct vocalist/Factory Girl's later years. Grim story but an interesting one with a standout performance by Trine Dyrholm. See https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-reviews/nico-1988-movie-revi...

Janus

12:48

I skied a day at Snowbird last week with a foot new and it dumped at least 6" while I was there! You make it out this season?

Jay Jaffe

12:51

I skied once while I was visiting my parents in early February, and did get some powder, which was great — my first time in four years getting to ski. Alas I had to cut that back from a planned two days in part due to the rotator cuff strain that I'm still rehabbing; I spent my lone day on skis with my right arm doing as little as possible, flicks of the wrist instead of full-on pole usage.

My 77-year-old father told me he passed the 1 million vertical feet mark for this season. He's had one hip replaced and is due for the other at some point, but he can ski the f out of that mountain.

Eli

12:51

Can you talk Yankee fans having flashbacks of the Ben Fransisco era off the ledge?

Jay Jaffe

12:55

This is a better team than the 2013 one that used Francisco, but injury stacks can make even the most well-stocked organization look threadbare, and right now that's what's happening. The good news is that the Red Sox have been bad, too, but the bad news is that it could be awhile before the Yankees' lineup and rotation is whole — and that may well be the difference between winning the division or going the wild card route, though I think they'll still make the playoffs.

12:57

It's April, but Mikolas's first two starts could have gone better. Is it too early to be worried?

Jay Jaffe

12:58

April may be the cruelest month to T.S. Eliot, but one week into the season is too early to be worried about anybody who has not suffered a major injury.

Jeffry

12:58

Looking at the lineup the Nationals trotted out yesterday, is it possible that we overrated them going in to the season? With Turner on the shelf, they're hugely reliant on Rendon and two very young (albeit talented) kids in Soto and Robles, who like any player that young will have ups and downs. Comparing that to the other three contenders in the division, particularly the Phillies and Mets, and I'm just not that confident in them right now.

Jay Jaffe

1:01

Losing Turner is a blow, but my big worry, as noted, is their bullpen. I think the kids will be fine, and it's worth noting that Adam Eaton is healthy. We'll see if Brian Dozier and Ryan Zimmerman bounce back. This team could fall apart, as with last year, but for the moment it's reasonable to assume they'll be in the thick of the NL East race.

JoeyBoomBats

1:01

Chris Sale was throwing 88-89 the other night in Oakland. One start after throwing 92. After throwing 95 last year. There's obviously something wrong. The Red Sox can read the stadium gun as well as I can. How can they not shut him down?

Jay Jaffe

1:05

The Red Sox just invested a big chunk of change in Sale and did a physical as part of that process; if he had structural issues, we'd know. The team appears to have a plan for him which includes not expecting him to be throwing 95 right now. Here's a thing from CBS Sports' RJ Anderson, quoting Alex Speier of the Boston Globe (I can't get behind the paywall at the moment):

Alex Speier of the Boston Globe explained Wednesday that Sale isn't achieving his usual extension -- think the deepness of his release point -- because he's being more mindful of his plant leg rather than whipping it forward and around to produce maximum velocity: "On Tuesday, Sale's delivery was controlled. His left leg often landed adjacent to his right leg, much farther up the mound. He wasn't reaching for extra extension, not roaring down the slope of the mound."

1:06

So, the short answer is that he/they are working on mechanics. If you want to set yourself on fire and run screaming through the streets over that, be my guest, but my money is on They Have an Idea of What They're Doing.

Matt

1:06

Why are the Dodgers so consistent at building mediocre bullpens?

Jay Jaffe

1:11

The Dodgers have spent a lot of money on other areas while skimping on the bullpen, in part because they have a surplus of arms and figure that they can use that depth to their advantage. Last year we saw guys like Stripling, Urias, Ferguson, Wood and Maeda start and relieve, and the plan calls for something similar this year.

That said, I don't like the Joe Kelly signing. Would like to have seen them go for somebody higher caliber like Zack Britton, Adam Ottavino, or David Robertson, all of whom are making more money. It's entirely possible they'll regret passing on those guys in favor of Kelly.

Matt

1:11

Who will be the next NL player not named Pete Alonso to win an MVP and has he (or she) been born yet?

Jay Jaffe

1:12

Well, by definition somebody in the NL will win the MVP award this year. I think I chose Harper in our staff picks.

Kevin

1:12

After last night's "bush league" play from Machado, I'm wondering if teams were turned off by his on-field antics during his free agency. Do you believe this is why teams were hesitant about signing him?

Jay Jaffe

1:15

I think Bob Brenley and Steve Berthaiume were bush league in applying that term to Machado over that specific play, but there's little doubt that some teams shied away from him due to his reputation for on-field mischief, which goes back further than last October. And I think ultimately some of those teams will regret passing on him.

Derek

1:15

Your piece on McCann/Martin (and catchers in general) was very interesting. Did anything particularly surprise you or change your mind re: HOF chances for any of those guys as you were researching and writing it?

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